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Did you mean the Monty Hall problem?

The Monty Hell problem is a paradox in probability theory involving infinite sequences of actions. As described in a post in the usenet group rec.puzzles, the problem consists of choosing between two alternative strategies for banking your money while spending an eternity confined in Hell. The assumptions of the problem are that each day you are paid $10 in $1 bills, but must turn over $1 each day to the Devil to pay for the heat. You are not allowed to handle your money yourself, but instead must choose one of two bankers:


The goal is to maximize your wealth at the end of your eternal confinement, which occurs on a hypothetical day ω (see Transfinite number), which occurs after all finitely-numbered days.

(The problem is sometimes stated such that Marilyn removes nine bills and only puts one in the sack. Here, for simplicity, they remove the same amount of money daily.)


1 The paradox

Let us start with the obvious explanation why it doesn't make any difference which banker you choose: after t days, both Monty and Marilyn have 9t dollars. Since these quantities both grow without limit, either will give you infinitely many dollars in the end.

Unfortunately, there is a less obvious explanation that favors Marilyn. This explanation depends on the assumption that the contents of Monty's sack on day ω is a set-theoretic limit of the contents on the preceding days, where the limit of a sequence of sets A1, A2, ..., is defined to contain some element x only if there is some number N such that x appears in An for each . Since it can be shown for any individual dollar bill x that the probability that it remains in the sack forever is zero (see proof below) and since there are only countably many bills, with probability 1 every bill is eventually removed from the sack. Under the assumption that your holdings at the end of time are a limit set defined in this way, Monty almost always leaves you with nothing, and you are better off with Marilyn. This is true even though at any finite time Monty and Marilyn have the same number of dollar bills in their sacks.

The paradox is the apparent contradiction between these two answers. The paradox is particularly painful because the obvious explanation requires very little mathematics, making the second, non-intuitive answer look suspiciously complex.

2 Attacks on the second solution

Because the second solution is so disturbing, many people attempt to resolve the paradox by finding an error in it. This section will describe some of these approaches, and explain why they are not supported by modern-day set theory and probability theory.

2.1 Everybody dies, but that doesn't mean someday no one will be alive

Consider the following variant of the "Monty" process, which eliminates the probabilities: on day 1, element 1 is placed in the sack. On day 2, element 2 is placed in the sack, and in general, on day t, element t is placed in the sack. Starting on day 101, we also remove elements; on day 101, we remove element 1, and in general, on day t+100 we remove element t. Since there are obviously 100 elements exactly in the sack from day 101 on, it would appear that there must continue to be 100 elements in the sack in the limit.

While it is true that the limit as t goes to infinity of the number of elements in the sack is 100, it is not true that the limit as t goes to infinity of the set of elements in the sack is a set of 100 elements. This is immediate from the definition of a limit of a sequence of sets: there is no element that stays in the sack forever, so the limit is the empty set.

A similar variant on the "Monty" process would be to put bills numbered 10n-9 through to 10n in the sack on day n, and then to take out the bill numbered n. Each bill will enter and leave the sack at determined times; although the number of bills in the sack will increase without limit over time, no identifiable bill can remain indefinitely in the sack.

The general rule is that just because every set in a sequence has some property, it doesn't necessarily mean that the limit (if it exists) also has that property. We can see this in the "Marilyn" process as well—the number of bills in Marilyn's sack on each day is finite, but the number of bills in the limit is not.

This is an astonishing property of set-theoretic limits, and it may surprise the reader to learn that the definition we have been using is in fact the definition universally used in mathematics. The reason this definition is used is that there is no good alternative: if we want to define the limit of the sets of elements of the bag to be some particular 100-element or potentially infinite set, we have to ask which elements are in this limit?



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